Dr. Kelly Brogan explains why we don’t have to be medicating our mental, emotional, and physical pain away - and why the best way out is through our trauma. 

Kelly Brogan, M.D. is a holistic psychiatrist, author of the NY Times Bestselling book, A Mind of Your Own, Own Your Self, the children’s book, A Time For Rain, and co-editor of the landmark textbook, Integrative Therapies for Depression. She is the founder of the online healing program Vital Mind Reset, and the membership community, Vital Life Project. 

She completed her psychiatric training and fellowship at NYU Medical Center after graduating from Cornell University Medical College, and has a B.S. from M.I.T. in Systems Neuroscience. She is specialized in a root-cause resolution approach to psychiatric syndromes and symptoms. She is a certified KRI Kundalini Yoga teacher and a mother of two.

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Hanzi Freinacht is a political philosopher, historian & sociologist, author of The Listening Society, Nordic Ideology, and the upcoming book The 6 Hidden Patterns of World History. 

As a writer, Hanzi combines in-depth knowledge of several sciences and disciplines and offers maps of our time and the human condition with his characteristically accessible, poetic and humorous writing style – challenging the reader’s perspective of herself and the world. He epitomizes much of the metamodern philosophy and can be considered a personification of this strand of thought.

In this interview we talk about: 

• Hanzi’s six types of politics
• The need to adopt a more holistic, or integral, or metamodern worldview
• How our subjective experiences are an important part of the metamodern perspective
• The difference between light depth and dark depth:  And why light depth is a profoundly playful position and dark depth is profound seriousness. And why both of these are true

We also discuss: 

• Why you can “out-depth” your partner and what to do about it.
• The cosmo-erotic relationship to the artist
• The importance of Integrating the part of yourself that's seeking a specific level of depth from a romantic partner
• Why not all people can become metamodernists